EMPATHIE ISSUE – Numéro Berlin https://www.numeroberlin.de Thu, 17 Oct 2024 12:30:08 +0000 en-US hourly 1 #EMPATHIE: MOORE KISMET https://www.numeroberlin.de/2023/05/empathie-more-kismet-keine-teamcredits/ Thu, 04 May 2023 12:47:42 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=32297 When they listen to Moore Kismet, it feels like being heard. So, I passed my finals, finished the first semester, and celebrated by performing in a stadium in front of a thousand people on the other side of the country.

Omar Davis has already done a whole lot. Even the most cursory google of their best-known alias Moore Kismet reveals a host of times that they were the first, times they were the youngest — times when they were like, wait, what is happening here? “When did I get a Wikipedia page? What the hell did I do to get in this position?” At seventeen, Omar Davis is still finding that out.

 

In Hindi, the word kismet means fate, or perhaps it’s luck, or maybe, it might even be destiny. It’s hard to be sure precisely in English, but whatever the case, they are big boots to fill, and yet Davis, at least, is clear on what it means to them. “I’ve never felt more secure being Moore Kismet. Moreso than I’ve ever felt with any other alias,” they say sincerely. “It’s essentially a manifestation of exactly what I want to do and what I want to accomplish in my life.” They’ve created under that alias for six years already, and it’s telling of their personal and artistic energy that they can grapple with topics writ large in the mind of every adolescent without ever making it about themself.

 

“I want everything to resonate with somebody. I want everything that I create to not only resonate with me, but to make people feel something other than the idea that this song is a banger. I want to write storytelling compositions that don’t compromise on listenability and still tell a good story. Music is telling stories that captivate people, that give them a deeper understanding.”

 

Where many songwriters prefer not to reveal their intentions, Moore Kismet wants to share. Like every other teenager on the planet, Omar Davis wants to be understood, but unlike so many other teenagers out there, people are actually listening. And why? Well, people are not just listening to Moore Kismet because they make bangers (and they definitely do), but because when they listen to Moore Kismet, it feels like being heard.

 

There’s an honesty to youth that is both refreshing and intimidating—refreshing in its ability to transcend those hard-learned, sharp-edged, and decidedly rigid norms of everyday life, and intimidating in its frank admission of vulnerability. Whether bruised and swollen or vibrant and joyous, Moore Kismet always offers something for others to lean into. Their ability to articulate so much experience so soon is admirable and, by the same measure, enviable. But, unfortunately, in the music industry, that honesty can be hard to come by. Omar has already been in the industry for five years, and that experience has come with its tough learnings. “A lot of people in the music industry are in the music industry for the wrong reason,” they mention knowingly. “No matter how much we touch on that, no matter how much you continue to speak about that, people acknowledge that it’s an issue in the moment, but they don’t do shit about it later. I know, for a lot of people, it’s difficult because people still view me as this little kid, and they still view me as this person who doesn’t know about adult things and therefore cannot help with navigating adult things.”

 

Admittedly, the feeling of being unseen is a familiar reprise from any young person, but for Omar Davis, and thus for Moore Kismet, the problem is doubled in scope. Young people are exposed to the issues of adulthood at an early age, and it would be hard to argue against the idea that anyone involved in the music industry from their pre-teens must have learned many a lesson, both hard and fast. Beyond that, though, what legitimate reason is there to think that a successful seventeen-year-old musician in an industry that has often ignored the music and experiences of people like Omar – that very thing that has made them so relatable – wouldn’t know what they’re doing? It’s worth remembering that Omar Davis is a young, Black non-binary artist that is thriving in an industry trademarked by a frankly kafkaesque opacity and barrier of entry.

 

Still, that number seventeen surrounds Moore Kismet. Until, at some unforeseen point, it is universally agreed that they are old enough to own those experiences without having to mention the number as if it were a qualifier for their artistic integrity. Moore Kismet is already wielding and molding those experiences into popular art with nimble precision. “I feel like I’m in a position with the things that I create and put out into the world where I can make a genuine shift in inspiring people.” Yet, their age is also legally bound to some of the more banal facts of life.

 

Davis is from Adelanto, California. A satellite city two hours outside of Los Angeles, give or take. Where there is neither much traffic nor density of experience at all. Definitely an issue for any young person, let alone an aspiring artist. “I never got a chance to perform at any local shows, in part because there was nothing up here and in part because I’m 17. At the time I was starting to blow up and get more notoriety and respect as a musician, especially as a trans musician, I didn’t have my driver’s license. So I couldn’t do shows, and I could not perform because I couldn’t drive myself anywhere, and I was too young to get into venues. The only way I would be able to get in any venue is if my mom or manager and a gigantic entourage of friends or close acquaintances were with me the entire night. And I’m pretty sure they were fucking sick and tired of babysitting me the whole night.”

 

In LA, proximity to stardom has a double effect. On the one hand, there’s the world of possibility on the edge of one’s stoop. On the other, there’s comfort in anonymity and the knowledge that whatever you do and whoever you are, you are not the only one. Davis walks this line with grace, humor and humility, while always maintaining a healthy appetite to have more. “My last show directly coincided with the day after my finals. So, I passed my finals, finished the first semester, and celebrated by performing in a stadium in front of a thousand people on the other side of the country. I’m like, fuck, who fucking does that? The way I used to celebrate getting good grades was I would go out with my family to fucking Baskin Robbins, get a quart of chocolate ice cream and then like, eat half of it and watch movies with my mom.”

 

They’re clear to add that family has been a significant influence on their confidence, stability, and success – Davis’ Grandma picked them up from school right on the bell to get them to this interview on time. “I’ve been in Adelanto for the past 15 years. My mom moved away and separated from my dad when I was two years old. I think it was just for us to be in a more stable and comfortable environment where we both could grow to be a lot happier and a lot safer in the position we’re in now. I’ve been making music in this very room ever since I was six years old.”

 

Like any teenager, Moore Kismet’s music is imbued with all the experiential doubt of youth but also with the dyed-in-the-wool support of those around them. Vulnerability is a double-edged sword, and Omar Davis has felt the nick of each side. “The first time I came out to my mom as non-binary and at the time, bisexual – I now identify as pansexual – being transgender, but not outwardly changing my appearance but just identifying this way and understanding that I feel this way and that I lean this way. She sat down and listened.” Yet as with anyone else, parts of Davis’ family life are strained, especially towards their father. “I commented on something that E.J. Johnson was wearing on a photo that came up on his Facebook feed. It was these thigh-high boots and this fluffy cheetah print outfit and a Birkin bag. And I’m like, ‘Oh, they could have picked a better jacket, but the rest of the outfit is cute.’” And in return? “I got a fucking two-hour lecture about the perks of being straight.”

 

“It’s a very difficult experience that my mom and I have had to navigate the past few years. When he calls, I never get an opportunity to get a word in, but then literally, he texted me the other day to let me know that he watched my gay-ass music video with my ex-boyfriend and said that he liked it. In a more restrained and general sense, I know that relationship with him influences my music and what I create. I know that at some point, he’s going to end up seeing this and reading it and getting a deeper understanding of how exactly it is.”

 

Just as with age, there is no talking about Moore Kismet without talking about identity. To grapple with essential questions of oneself and come out on top without the tacit knowledge of respect and safety extended to many other people, inspires empathy. It’s a topic that Davis understands and engages with rare intuition, having seen both sides extended to them so distinctly. “Showing empathy to somebody to me means making a genuine effort to show somebody that you care and that you’re listening and that you’re understanding their situation.” That outlook is something that has extended into their own life. “I want to be as understanding as I can because I didn’t have the same experience as everybody else did. I had a wonderful mother and her incredible best friend. They understand me, how I am, what I create and do as a human being, and how that connects to my art.”

 

Of course, it’s important to note that while Moore Kismet can confidently inhabit this identity, it’s not Omar Davis’ job or responsibility to teach it to anyone. Naturally, they say they don’t mind explaining to anyone who is “genuinely interested and wants to make a better effort to be respectful and accommodating.” But more often than not, they simply don’t mention it. “I just tell people to use the proper pronouns and then go about my day. It’s a lot easier than trying to give them a fucking Encyclopedia Britannica definition of what non-binary is because that’s not even going to work because not everyone has the capacity to understand that. So I’m just like, yo, my pronouns are they/them. Hopefully, you can get down with that. If not, so be it. That’s your own issue.”

 

It’s tricky because there remains a sect of EDM that is heavily associated with a certain white cis male identity. Doubly problematic because most people are taught the value of role models from a young age. On that topic, Davis maintains a healthy distance. “I really don’t think that I am a role model in any way. I’m just doing what I’m doing to help myself and protect and express my emotions — the things that go on in my mind and the things that go on in my life.” Like a lot of what Davis says, it comes across as remarkably level-headed despite their often giddy tone and ever-smiling manner. The case against role models is that no one needs to be the voice for anyone but themselves. To heap the pressure of expectation on a young person is essentially to wait for them to buckle beneath that weight.

 

On the topic of EDM culture, Davis is careful not to get drawn too closely into any overly simplistic notions of what that might be. “I’ve tried my level best to distance myself from that. I’ve always had a deeper understanding of the fact that I could make something that reaches beyond this one singular label. I’ve gotten the opportunity to think about what that is and to start staying away from that part of my life that, yeah, I did grow up in, and think how much better it is for me that I’m not entirely involved in it anymore and that I’m slowly working my way out of being pigeonholed in this phase.”

 

Getting typecast as one thing or another is at the forefront of the minds of artists of every kind, and it’s difficult not to feel that for Moore Kismet, the issue is even more immediate. Everyone has an opinion on who they are, school kid, prodigy, disruptor, or unintentional icon. They are just focusing on themselves, their music, and the people around them. But remember that just as they are lauded, fetishized even, for being a young person in an exceptional situation. Remember that young person is ultimately just a regular teenager. Asking themselves the same questions of agency, identity, family and future. And Omar Davis is no different.

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#EMPATHIE: CHAPTER VI https://www.numeroberlin.de/2022/12/empathie-chapter-vi/ Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:59:00 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=52719
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#EMPATHIE: PEGGY GOU https://www.numeroberlin.de/2022/12/empathie-peggy-gou/ Wed, 21 Dec 2022 12:48:23 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=31929
“Sadness and joy can’t be hidden,”

Peggy Gou chants in Korean on her 2021 single, I Go. Written on a plane, where the Berlin-based DJ and producer presumably spends most of her time, the self-motivational anthem draws on Gou’s reality of constantly going somewhere, where the journey and destination are ongoing adventures to pursue. But as the now-30-year-old readily admits, she was born for the whirlwind (and utterly rewarding) life she leads.

 

Born in Incheon, South Korea before moving to London throughout her teens and young adulthood, an instinctive pull to house music led her to her surrogate home of Berlin in 2013. Having already developed a skill in DJing, Gou was proactive in her absorption of the city’s (sometimes fickle) sense of possibility, amassing a growing touring itinerary and releasing her debut EP Art of War by early 2016. The rest is history, with Gou refining her sound to what she playfully coins ‘K-house’: punchy, dreamy house often met with vocals sung in her native tongue, a self-proclaimed risk that paid off in viral smashes like Starry Night, It Makes You Forget (Itgehane) and, most recently, I Go. By 2019, Gou was everywhere at once – playing consecutive benchmark shows while attaining a level of success not just unprecedented in electronic music, but as a fashion and social media fixture. Even a pandemic didn’t interrupt her momentum, downtime Gou welcomed to recalibrate and work on her highly anticipated upcoming LP.

 

When I was asked to interview Gou in a manner reflective of this issue’s ‘Empathy’ theme, I firstly considered the unique insight one might possess from extensive, superhuman touring for a genre as intimate as house music. I wondered whether that was even an achievable quality for a touring DJ of her stature, and how she could possibly maintain that while frequenting every corner of the earth on-loop. What I discovered from our conversation is that connecting with people through music remains Gou’s foremost virtue, a foundation she honors to keep the dream and joy of what she does intact.

Hey, Peggy, how has your 2022 been so far?

I don’t know how to relax so I’ve been planning and thinking a lot about upcoming projects. Right now, I’m back in Berlin working in the studio, but I was just in Dubai and Manchester and am about to go to Korea to see family. 2022 has been great so far. I have a great feeling about it.

The theme of this issue is empathy. How has playing music to different audiences around the world informed your understanding of people?

I think it’s a really important topic these days, you need to have empathy to do what I do. Whenever I DJ anywhere in the world, I feel responsible for people having a great time because things like music, parties or festivals are what people associate positive memories with. I’m not a big fan of when DJs don’t connect with the crowd, I think you need to feel what the audience feels to play better. I do believe that I’m a very empathetic person, which is why sometimes I get insecure about playing the wrong track or ruining the moment. When I first started playing, I was focusing on the people that were not dancing. Then I realized that my mentality was wrong and I should be focusing on the people who were dancing and wanting to connect with my music. So now my only focus is the people who want to feel and interact with my music and positive energy.

Do you prefer playing larger or smaller settings? How do they differ for you on an emotional level?

There’s a huge difference. I do prefer playing small clubs for the more intimate vibe and connection. I don’t even like when the DJ booth is higher than people, ideally the booth should be on the same level as the dancers. However, it is important to be able to play in a big room because knowing how to do both improves your DJing. You feel the energy way more at a small club, and that in turn helps the way I play for a bigger venue because they’re harder to connect with – you’ll see the front row with their hands in the air, but not everyone is always dancing and actively engaging in big crowds.

When I first started playing, I was focusing on the people that were not dancing. Then I realized that my mentality was wrong and I should be focusing on the people who were dancing and wanting to connect with my music. So now my only focus is the people who want to feel and interact with my music and positive energy.
Is stage fright something you ever experience?

Yes, one hundred percent! I still get nervous, which I think is a good thing because it means I care. I never want to lose those butterflies. I’ve DJed from 400 to 100,000 people and every time I get stage fright, I end up smashing it. [laughs] For me, it’s just about making sure they have a great time. There is so much pressure, and if you brush it off and think it’s gonna be easy, you end up fucking it up. I never feel that way though, I still feel nervous and I think it’s a beautiful feeling. For me, a career is like sports – it should always be challenging, in my opinion, at least.

In normal circumstances, I imagine you have one of the more rigorous touring schedules in music. What do you love the most and least about it?

I love connecting with people. I use the word ‘connection’ a lot but I personally feel that if there’s one person that wants to hear my music or see me, then I will still fly to play anywhere I can. But of course, the traveling fucks you up mentally and physically. A lot of people have said to me that if you DJ, forget about sleeping, which was definitely true for me in 2019. But it’s all about balance. I put a lot of pressure on myself in 2019, no one was telling me what to do and I don’t have a manager, but I pushed myself to play everywhere and my physical and mental health suffered because of it. The first thing my doctor told me was to stop traveling long distance because it confuses your body. I was sleeping two or three hours a day – imagine that, you become super sensitive. So it is very important for me that I set boundaries for myself and have space for me.

Do you have a game plan for achieving balance now that touring is picking up again?

I think every DJ’s goal is the same: Do less, get more. [laughs] I’m not going to tour like I did in 2019… I mean, I say that, but I might change my mind. [laughs] I became really healthy during the pandemic, before that I was getting sick every month. But until now, I’ve only gotten Covid once, which for me is a miracle. So even if everything gets back to normal, I’ll continue being cautious and avoid pushing myself.

Berlin is obviously a very stimulating city in itself, but how has it served you as a base amidst frequent travel?

I can’t live here 365 days a year. If you want to live in Berlin, you have to leave. It’s amazing as a home to come back to from touring, but if you’re here twenty-four seven, then you’re going to go crazy. And winter? Forget about it. [laughs]

Do you visit Korea often? Have you noticed much of a change in the scenes you inhabit?

Yeah, I go often, either to visit friends and family or sometimes for work. I always say that Korea is the future – it’s killing it at the moment. I’m a proud Korean and never want to lose my connection to it. Going back for me is like a charger: This is me [holds up phone] and this is Korea [holds up charging cable]. It’s important for me to go back and heal. When I was going to school in London and people would see me as an Asian person, they’d only ask me if I was Chinese or Japanese, never Korean. Many people didn’t know about Korea and would ask me where it was. But now, this has changed and Korea has become a known culture.

What was your first encounter with electronic music and what sort of mark did it leave on you?

My musical taste and knowledge changed a lot over time due to the different countries I grew up in. When I came to London in 2009, I started going out clubbing every night – that’s how I listened to deep house for the very first time. I was like, “How fucking sick is this music?” In Korea, I’d never heard music in that BPM which was that good and danceable. So through my clubbing experiences in London, I got to know house music. But I didn’t fully understand techno until I moved to Berlin. My very first love, who was a DJ, told me that he wished he could play techno music in Korea, but it just wasn’t the right country for it, and that was in 2008. He said that when you really understand techno music, you will know. When I moved to Berlin and first started going to Berghain, I always was a Panorama Bar girl. Initially, when I would go [downstairs to the Berghain floor], I wasn’t that into it and would go back upstairs. Then, after two months of going, I finally began to ‘get’ techno. So London opened it up for me and Berlin upgraded me. Also working at a record store when I first started living in Berlin helped me get to know different artists and labels.

Then, after two months of going, I finally began to ‘get’ techno. So London opened it up for me and Berlin upgraded me.
Did working at a record store have much of an influence on your approach as a selector?

My experience working there wasn’t that amazing. I felt like they hired me because I was a woman. There’d be a bunch of guys talking about labels and the music industry who would never include me, even though I knew what they were talking about – but they probably thought I didn’t. I do remember that the good thing about working there was that I got to learn a lot of musical knowledge and built connections with the people who’d come to shop there.

Was that kind of male gatekeeping difficult to overcome earlier in your career?

I don’t really talk about that stuff a lot, but what I can say is that us female DJs all know when we were reminded of our gender. Of course, I’ve experienced a lot of treatment that I felt was unfair or my voice was not heard, but look at us now! I do think about how hard it must’ve been for female DJs who started before me. However, instead of focusing on what’s passed, I think we’re on a pretty good path moving forward with a lot of killer female DJs and men supporting women.

You’ve been working on your upcoming album the past few years. Where do you plan to take your sound with it?

I’ve learned to try not to talk about the details of the album publicly yet because what I planned six months ago is completely different to what I have planned now. What I can tell you is that I’ll be collaborating with a great artist, which I’m hoping will be done in 2022. And then after the album is released, I will begin playing live sets, not just DJing and playing other people’s music. So, I’d rather show you than talk about it, because I have different ideas every day and they’re constantly changing. But it’s coming!

How do you go about curating the artists you release on your label Gudu?

I started Gudu to give more freedom to the artists that I love. In the beginning, it was more about younger artists and giving them good support, but we’ve also had releases from legends that I love that don’t get enough attention from people in my generation aside from music nerds. So if I can use my platform to introduce their music to them, then why not? That’s why I’ve been releasing music from producers like DMX Crew and Maurice Faulton – they’re my heroes. But I also focus on younger emerging artists, and have been looking for Korean artists to release as well, which will be coming this year.

 

I’ve had some bad experiences with a label before, which I don’t want anyone else to experience. I want to give artists whatever they want. When I released my first record, it was full of samples – I still think it’s great music, but I was trying too many things. Someone from a label said to me that no one was going to buy my record or know who I was unless I had some killer remix on the release. I got so upset because it was like, “Why are you releasing my music then?” Obviously, this person didn’t like that I was arguing with them because they’d been in the industry longer and felt that I should trust them, which I did, but it felt like they didn’t trust me. In the end, the EP went well and everything changed, so I never want to make any artist feel that way. When you’re releasing someone else’s music, you have to give them your full trust and support, and I would do anything for the people that trust me and their music to my label.

You also work with a lot of visual artists for your videos, sets and graphics. What do you look for in those kinds of collaborations?

They’re my friends, and I love working with them. A lot of people think that’s a way to lose friends, but I’ve been lucky to know creative people who I can talk openly with about doing different things. With the visual Gou Talk show I did at Printworks in London, I sat with [artist] Jae Huh and asked him about what was cool and hype at the time. A lot of people use emojis and Instagram so we decided to play with that, also because people relate to me and feel like I’m a part of their life through the stuff I post on social media. So that’s what I’m looking for when I do a visual: a little bit of a twist, because it shouldn’t be safe, but always relatable.

You studied fashion earlier in your life, before becoming disillusioned with it and shifting to music. Through your clothing line Kirin, how have you gone about returning to fashion in a way that works for you?

When I started working in the music industry, I thought that no one would take me seriously because I came from a fashion background. So, in the beginning, I would wear plain t-shirts and jeans, but then realized that wasn’t really me. Fashion was always in my blood – I used to want to be a stylist, but then I realized I sucked at it and was only good at styling myself. I’m glad I realized that quickly and didn’t waste my time because a lot of people don’t know how to move on from certain things they aren’t good at. But when I got an offer to do Kirin or my own merch, it was something I felt I could do. I get asked from DJs and managers, asking how to get involved in fashion, and I want to believe that I helped open that door for them.

I’m glad I realized that quickly and didn’t waste my time because a lot of people don’t know how to move on from certain things they aren’t good at.
Virgil Abloh was a friend of yours. How did he inspire you as both a multidisciplinary artist and a friend?

It always gives me goosebumps talking about Virgil. I first met him when I was booked for a Stockholm Fashion Week party in 2017 and played in a tiny room alongside a bigger room where Kelis and Virgil were playing. I was playing at the same time as Kelis, so obviously no one was going to come to my room, but one person showed up, and that was Virgil. He told me he was a fan and looking forward to seeing me play, which was a big moment for me. After that, he continued supporting me, booking me for Off-White events and introducing me to people as his favorite DJ. He also encouraged [fashion distribution company] New Guards Group to approach me.

I don’t know how Virgil did everything he did because while I think my life is hectic, his was twenty times more. And he still managed to always be authentic and present. Even though he’s gone too soon, he really marked his place and in forty years, he did way more than most do in a hundred. There’s not one person who says anything bad about him, he always made you feel special and would never leave you behind. Seeing him be himself inspired me so much. So it’s really sad – I can’t believe he’s gone but I’m grateful that everyone knows about Virgil in a positive way.

One of the biggest dates on your calendar is Pleasure Gardens, the mini-festival you curate at Finsbury Park. Tell me a bit about the event and how it came about?

I started Pleasure Gardens in 2019 and was so grateful to have an event that was my own curation. One of my strongest markets is London and I have a big love for it; that’s where I get the most support. So we had this idea and then wanted to bring it back again and make it a series. The good thing about it – and let me brag a little bit – [laughs] is that the shows get sold out before we’ve even announced the lineup, so I have full freedom to book any artist that I want to introduce to people, whether it be a newcomer or legend. The vibe is just amazing, from the dancers to the people.

The great DJ Harvey is playing this year, who you’ve described as your mentor. Is there anyone you feel you’ve been a mentor to?

I feel like I’d be a great mentor, but I haven’t really had the chance to yet. If anyone reaches out to me for my opinion or advice, I do choose carefully who I give my time and effort to. But there are younger artists that I really love, like FKA.m4a, who’s killing it right now. I’d like to be a good example for all the artists I release on my label and if there’s anyone I truly believe in, then I will continue to support them. I think I’d be a good mentor because I love inspiring and influencing people.

What is your relationship with the idea of being an influencer? Is that something you see for yourself?

I think ‘influence’ is a really great word, but because of social media, everybody can call themselves an ‘influencer,’ which makes it lose its value. In my opinion, influencers are people that can influence in any way, so in that sense, I’m happy to be called that, but I’d never introduce myself as one. I would rather people describe me as an artist or a musician. But I do think that if you can influence other people in any way, then that’s a good thing.

Is it ever daunting having such a large online following?

No, because I try to use my platform in a positive way – to connect with people and share what I like. I do think social media is important as long as you use it the right way.

What’s been the most surprising thing about your journey so far?

I think where I’m at now is the most surprising thing. I look back and think, “What a fucking journey!” Even if I wasn’t a DJ, I know I would have done something artistic because I have that kind of personality. There are so many overwhelming moments that stand out. As cheesy as it sounds, I’m very grateful for everything and never take it for granted. And I want to continue to develop to make sure that I inspire people and am a positive example and leave an impact in this world.

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#EMPATHIE: BRINGING FEELING BACK https://www.numeroberlin.de/2022/12/empathie-bringing-feeling-back/ Tue, 20 Dec 2022 19:07:26 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=32392

The announcement treated fans of the show – although devastated by its imminent end – to a very special spectacle: Kim Kardashian’s iconic ‘ugly crying face.’

 

There had been many an opportunity to observe this marvel throughout the show’s 14 years on air, including when she lost her $75,000 diamond ring in Bora-Bora’s turquoise waters on a family vacation in 2011. Even though, to all of us ordinary mortals, the reasons for her tears might seem just as decadent as her 200-square meter walk-in closet or her three million dollar wedding with Kanye West in Versailles, feelings are what they are, and don’t all humans equally experience pain over loss?

“What do these people see when they look in the mirror? A dream come true? An indicator of their social success? A performance of their will?”

Unsurprisingly, the internet went wild after her glorious ugly cry. Besides various memes comparing Kim’s crying performances over the seasons, many people speculated about why her crying face looked so damn weird. The answer, in short: Botox and filler, combined with a few subtle surgeries.

 

And, indeed, Kim Kardashian’s face is the definition of what author Jia Tolentino called the “Instagram Face” in a 2019 essay for The New Yorker: a cyborgian beauty grimace with a slim, chiseled straight nose, sculpted cheekbones, oversized lips, perfectly arched eyebrows, and lashes as long and thick as the bristles of a hand broom. Tolentino dubbed this face that makes women look like sexy tiger cubs the “Instagram Face” because it performed particularly well on the small thumbnail size of social media platforms and had therefore been mimicked thousands of times.

 

The desire to be prettier, smoother, younger comes as no surprise, given that studies continue to show that people who fulfill the common beauty standards experience an advantage in pretty much all areas of life – when looking for a partner, a job, or even at court, where they apparently get milder sentences. Cosmetic surgeries have reached the mainstream and also the opposite sex – in America, male cosmetic procedures have increased by 28% since 2000. You probably know somebody who has had something done (or they probably have even if you don’t know it), if not someone who would like to if they had the money. We see Instagram Face in real life with its long lashes, protruding cheekbones and plump lips everywhere – at the gym, in a restaurant, on the subway. What do these people see when they look in the mirror? A dream come true? An indicator of their social success? A performance of their will?

 

While the Instagram Face may mirror what society considers to be the female beauty norm, it does not come across particularly simpatico. Research has proven that humans must be able to see themselves in their counterpart in order to feel the empathy that is crucial for societal solidarity. A perfectly symmetrical face with a glow to die for may look pretty, but it doesn’t really touch us. Human facial expressions are highly developed compared to most other mammals, and they can be pretty nuanced. They have developed in combination with our social intelligence over the course of evolution. Understanding the underlying emotions behind facial gestures requires empathy. It is therefore crucial for small children to learn to interpret others’ facial expressions because it teaches them, for example, that if they pull somebody’s hair, it hurts the person just like it would hurt them. In 2012, U.S. host Kelly Ripa caused a stir when she explained in an interview that she knew it was time for the next Botox injection whenever her children asked why she was so upset.

 

If there’s no frowning to indicate one’s mood, children will have a hard time assessing social situations. Studies have shown that ‘frozen’ facial expressions after cosmetic procedures can even impair relationships and friendships.

 

Adding to this is another effect: A face injected into immobility like Kim Kardashian’s does not only look weird in case of a rare emotional breakdown, it also gives others a hard time believing the person in question can really experience deep feelings. As a user in one of the Reddit forums dedicated to KUWTK asked: “When you have that much filler on your face and in your lips, can you feel like when someone kisses your cheek? Or can you feel on your lips kissing someone else?”

 

Indeed, it seems like cosmetic surgeries not only affect the perception of emotional veracity by those looking at them, but also the experience of emotions by the persons themselves. Apparently, their own emotional experiences seem to be impaired and they may have more difficulty reading others’ faces. The Facial Feedback Hypothesis explains why: Our facial expression signals to our brain what mood we are in, and the brain then regulates, for example, the release of happiness hormones. That’s why smiling makes you feel good, and you can trick yourself into feeling better by smiling even when you’re not happy.

 

By extension in the opposite direction, suppressing negative facial expressions can yield positive effects. Studies have found that persons displaying fewer negative expressions like anger after a surgery actually felt better – because their brains don’t read the anger as such, which affects their behavior, and their environment consequently also reacts more positively towards them.

“Understanding the underlying emotions behind facial gestures requires empathy. It is therefore crucial for small children to learn to interpret others’ facial expressions because it teaches them, for example, that if they pull somebody’s hair, it hurts the person just like it would hurt them.”

Treating clinically depressive patients with Botox showed no less astonishing effects: Two months after injecting their glabellar frown lines, all patients were free of symptoms. Back in 1872, Charles Darwin described a typical facial expression of depressed people as characterized by their eyebrows being drawn together above the nose in his work The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals and suggested that this was correlated with their suffering. Just as smiling can enhance people’s feelings of happiness, this facial expression, he thought, could contribute to people’s unhappiness. However, the Botox effect on depressive patients unfortunately only lasted as long as the effect of the neurotoxin itself: After three to four months, their condition started to worsen again considerably.

 

The pandemic experience has put a spotlight on issues of mental care and mental health as isolation and anxiety have taken a toll on our social and emotional wellbeing. Many consumers started to ask themselves if fashion and beauty are really worth all the effort if there is limited physical presentation and interaction. Plus, the body positivity movement has thankfully added new and more diverse beauty ideals to our social media channels, contributing to a shift to broader awareness and appreciation, which is in turn forcing the fashion and beauty industries to change their marketing. In 2021, US pharma company Allegan launched a marketing campaign to advertise Botox treatments with a series of commercials designed as short documentaries. These commercials told stories of suffering and emphasized the therapeutical over cosmetic effects of Botox injections with the tagline “Still you” stamped on the protagonists’ smoothened out foreheads.

 

At the latest, the pandemic has woken us to the reality that we face huge global and local challenges that cannot be solved without empathy and solidarity. We need to realize that we have more in common than what separates us – we need to come together, not move apart. Robust communication comprises at least 70 percent nonverbal communication if not more, making facial expressions evolutionarily connected to our emotions essential to understanding ourselves and one another. Being able to read and experience one’s own and others’ emotions is crucial for human coexistence. In 2021, Kim Kardashian not only said goodbye to Kanye, but also to some of her butt implants. Might this be a harbinger of a slight shift in the beauty industry? We can only hope that 2022 will turn the other cheek on Instagram Face and bring feeling back.

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#EMPATHIE: THE BEAST & THE OTHER https://www.numeroberlin.de/2022/12/empathie-the-beast-the-other/ Tue, 20 Dec 2022 19:00:45 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=32430 We are born as beasts. Cute ones, admittedly.

But those tiny hands, button noses and that softest of skin merely distract from the fact that we start out in life as highly emotional, uncivilized creatures, helplessly dependent on others. And yet, even at our most primal, at a time when we’ve yet to acquire reference points and the powers to reflect, we assign meaning. We develop ideas of what it means to love and to be loved. No matter how beastly these concepts may be, they stay with us, often buried under all the emotional rubble we accumulate as adults.

The US-­Palestinian cultural critic Edward Said described psychoanalysis as a process of psychic archeology. A way of uncovering the places within us which exist beyond the limits of rationality and social conventions. In his brilliant lecture “Freud and the Non-European” in 2000 at the Freud Museum in London, he talked about the idea of the counterpoint, a concept from musical theory, as a way to integrate all the different elements of our identities. It’s a lecture about how to live with the plurality within and without. Plurality within oneself and within other people. At a time when large segments of Western societies seem like they’re living in a parallel Harry-Potter-on-meth universe and when Western democracy is experiencing a clear and present danger from the far right and the extreme populists, this seems incredibly relevant.

“Democratic societies need counterpoint. Indeed, they cannot exist without it. Democracy is the continuous struggle to create harmony out of a multitude of melodies.”

The concept of the counterpoint, as executed to perfection in the music of JS Bach, refers to how multiple melodies can be independent and yet form a harmonic whole. Voices intertwine, clash and battle, only to find themselves coming back together again. The counterpoint is a technique which can contain tension and dissonance and also provide sweetness and release. Bach’s sacral music is all about transcending the pain and limits of earthly existence while the music he wrote for aristocratic courts is the audio equivalent of a champagne orgy. Whether it’s boredom or despair, Bach’s counterpoint will get you to the other side.

Democratic societies need counterpoint. Indeed, they cannot exist without it. Democracy is the continuous struggle to create harmony out of a multitude of melodies. Our constitutions are our baselines. Our laws set the range for how far the various voices can go.

“There’s Us and then there’s The Other, and it feels like only one of the two are allowed to survive.”

The plurality of the counterpoint seems obvious – it’s what we pride ourselves in when we compare our democratic societies to autocratic states or dictatorships. And yet, even before the pandemic, we had been finding it increasingly difficult to accommodate other voices along with our own melodies. There’s Us and then there’s The Other, and it feels like only one of the two are allowed to survive. The attention economy of social media, which fosters the drama of the extreme, has promoted an environment where we are increasingly retreating to binary oppositions – woke vs. populist, science vs. esoteric, progressive vs. far right. All of this against the steady growth of class divisions and the gap between rich and poor. Rather than allowing complexity and dissonance, we prefer to bang our drums as loud as we can, to drown out other voices. That’s not music – that’s noise.

In the simplicity of the one-track-environment, we feel supported and understood. It’s the safe haven from the cacophony of the outside world. A retreat from the threatening Other. It seems like we’re all yearning for a place where we can be beasts again. Craving a return to our earliest experience of love. To the kind of love we felt as babies when we melted into the arms of our primary caregivers (often our mothers). When we couldn’t tell the difference between their bodies and ours. When we were one with them. That warm, fuzzy feeling, when there is no separation, no threat, no conflict. When all that is solid melts into milk.

When our little milk parties are disrupted, we react with anger and wrath. Any form of conditionality or relativizing turns us into angry tyrants. We scream and howl, become insufferable, lose ourselves in outrage or righteousness when that someone distinguishes themselves from us and becomes an Other. When that Other is no longer wholly aligned with our values and beliefs.

Indeed, how can we not explode when someone insists on spouting some blatantly ludicrous conspiracy theory which exacerbates racism or sexism? I go into panic-meets-fury hyperdrive when I see anti-vaxxers wearing Star of David placards. It’s not just that they are fashioning themselves as victims of a totalitarian state, they are essentially denying the horrors of the Holocaust. That’s not something I can accept. These are not people I can play with. And yet, what if one of them is a sibling, a parent, a neighbor, a colleague, a friend? Someone we love. What we you do then? Is this the end of music? The end of empathy?

“It seems like we’re all yearning for a place where we can be beasts again. Craving a return to our earliest experience of love.”

Fascism can be defined as the inability to accept that identities can be complex and even contradictory. Anybody who’s migrated, anybody who’s moved social or cultural class is only too aware: Who we are doesn’t make sense. To be human is to be implausible. Our identities are complicated; conflicting versions of ourselves are always at work: Who we are, who we’d like to be, who we think we should be, who we think others think we are, who we fear we might be… all of these ambiguities are whirling around the unconscious spaces that were formed when we were still cute little beasts.

Fascism works on the premise of eliminating all these ambiguities. It creates homogenous identities that have no room for conflict. The obvious example being Nazi Germany, where you couldn’t be German and Jewish at the same time. Any form of complexity is shouted down, eliminated or – in the language of today’s wellness industry – cleansed and detoxified.

“Who we are doesn’t make sense. To be human is to be implausible.”

I’m referring to the wellness industry here, because it’s not just the Chick-fil-A-eating, gun-slinging, Fox News-watching, Daily Mail-reading parts of society which have problems accepting complex identities. The industrial yoga-complex – of which I consider myself a participant – with all its talk of love, oneness and mindfulness, is having a hard time living what it preaches. When my idea of love is that there can only be one great sentimental melody and that all “negative energies” (whatever the fuck that may be; really, the word “energy” should be reserved for conversations on physics) are to be purged, the Other can be difficult to integrate. Not just in regards to other people, but also in regards to the parts within me that I don’t particularly like or that I’m ashamed of. The parts within me that don’t make any sense.

It’s hard. Indeed, it often feels impossible to accept the unacceptable. And yet, if we’re ever to get out of our current mess, we’ll have to move beyond our current binary cacophony toward a new counterpoint. In psychoanalysis, it’s the Oedipal stage during which the child learns to integrate new voices and widen its concept of love. When a third person or third element – for example, a father figure – enters the love bubble between child and primary caregiver, the child may feel threatened. Love ceases to be a one-on-one dynamic which offers safety in fusion. Instead, it turns into a complicated triangle. This may cause the child to be angry and reject this third other. Yet, the child has to learn to integrate the other in its mental space, accept an additional melody, see the world from their point of view, empathize. In other words, develop a concept of love beyond that of total fusion. Because that’s how we learn to accept and appreciate not only others, but also The Other within ourselves.

“It seems that as a society, we might have to get over our collective Oedipal complex.”

It seems that as a society, we might have to get over our collective Oedipal complex. To let go of our regressive fantasies of love as fusion. Let go of the idea that as individuals we need to be faultless, unfailing and coherent. And that any misstep shall be met with the wrath of Twitter. Let go of the idea that somewhere, there’s a pure version of myself which I’ll reach if I only do enough sun salutations. Instead of engaging in omnipotent fantasies of purging, cleansing or eliminating unwanted elements within myself, it might be more helpful to develop empathy for The Other within me and within others. Empathy is crucial if we want to put an end to “othering.”

To have empathy does not mean to disregard our constitutions and democratic principles or indeed tolerate anybody who does so. The rule of law is still stronger than all the noise on social media. And yes, Holocaust denial is illegal. So I live in hope that those Star of David placards will be deemed unlawful. In the meantime, I’ll have to push myself to find better arguments and continue the dialogue about Germany’s past so we can learn from it. Engage even though I really don’t want to. Accept that this is a moment of extreme dissonance, but that my inner beast must learn to sing along to new, incredibly complex harmonies.

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#EMPATHIE: KEINE MUSIK https://www.numeroberlin.de/2022/12/empathie-keine-musik/ Tue, 20 Dec 2022 18:53:18 +0000 https://www.numeroberlin.de/?p=32249 “But now it’s like, fuck, it’s awesome, with the colored lights and everything is allowed and everyone is hyped.” – Gregor

Keinemusik have introduced a new model to the Berlin club scene: Gregor, Adam and André are at the core of a community in which releasing their own uplifting tracks to a growing global fan base is only part of the message. The three boys have become an all-star nightlife band, playing hours-long sets together on stage like a band. The goal in all they do: Deliver a soulful intensity to a roaring crowd that is looking for a communal feel of bliss and ecstasy on dance floors all over the world.

As a DJ, you have to connect with an audience over and over again, often in a short period of time. How do you do that?

André: Being there early so you can get to know the room, get to know the people, what they’re like and what the vibe is like. What you shouldn’t do is come five minutes before and then just play what you would play anyway….

 

Adam: That happens occasionally, though. [laughs]

 

Gregor: Well, you should be there half an hour before. Then you know approximately how the vibe is, what the DJ has played before, what kind of mood the people have built up. And then you get there and you like the atmosphere or not.

But what happens if you come in and immediately feel that you don’t like the vibe?

André: That also happens. You definitely have to hit the reset button for a moment and play something completely different than the DJ playing before you. That way, you can restart a crowd and sometimes the whole evening. Because just because you personally don’t like the evening, doesn’t mean that the other guests in the club like it or not. You have to quickly decide how you want the evening to go and how you want the next three, four, five, six hours to go.

 

Gregor: Experience is certainly important. Maybe you just get used to everything… But you usually know beforehand if people want it to be a bit harder, UK rave and take off the T-shirts, or maybe prefer softer music, taking it down a gear.

 

Adam: We’re very lucky that people now come to our gigs because of our sound. That means you don’t have to explain much. And it’s a very definite vibe that we play and it almost doesn’t matter if the music is stronger or a bit laid back, it carries a similar positive energy.

“People feel like partying. You can tell they missed being with other people, having fun collectively and not just in a group of four people, but with 1000 people in a room again. Letting go. It feels more intense and ecstatic. There’s more love than before.” – Adam
Do you feel you can control and navigate an audience better than you did in the beginning?

André: We’ve certainly gotten better at that in the last 12 years. So I hope so. [laughs] In the beginning, I think you play less with the crowd. Maybe when you’ve softened them up a bit and you know they’re open to other things now, then you can try new things. As Adam said, they often come to us because of our sound and our own tracks. The three of us have also adjusted to each other very well by now. Through the countless times we’ve played together, we’ve developed a good flow.

 

Adam: It works exactly like that. But it’s less about crowd control and more about just trying to make an awesome party. For yourself, but first and foremost for the people. What you play and when becomes automatic at some point, you follow your gut feeling. Although I push the buttons, it’s more the other way around, the overall vibe tells me what to do.

Serve the crowd, if you will.

André: It’s like a ping-pong game.

 

Gregor: When I think about it, I feel that my mood is more dependent on the crowd than the crowd is on my playing. If I get good feedback, it’s the most beautiful thing there is. But when I see no smiles, no vibe, no nothing, it’s very exhausting for me. In that sense, the crowd controls me more than I control the crowd. I find controlling a difficult word, reacting is more appropriate.

“When we started Keinemusik, I thought that the world could be different. And that’s what we continued to do. At the core of it was always such a nice community feeling – the comfortable, everybody loves each other feeling.” – André
Did the joint DJing work right from the start? Or did it take you a while to adjust to each other?

 

André: That was definitely a development and we have also tried different constellations. Especially when our sets last 8, 9 hours, initially everyone had their own set time. Now when we play together, we mainly play back to back to back. Everybody is there all the time and it’s a wobbling interplay….

 

Gregor: …Whoever can contribute something, contributes something. But if you’re not feeling it or you’d rather just have a drink, then the others take over. The rule is no rule. And that works extremely well, I think.

 

Adam: I don’t even know when it clicked. It’s been a couple of years. I don’t remember when we realized that this is actually the best way to do things and that it’s the most fun.

 

André: It’s hard to say – in Watergate times, everyone already had their own set time. I would say five years ago.

To what extent is empathy important as an idea for Keinemusik? Keinemusik was founded as a community, which you also convey to the outside world by playing together. And as a DJ or in a club, you create community, the basis for others to connect with each other…

André: The idea of community was important for us. At that time, we were a group of seven or eight. Our goal was to be able to do what we wanted – for example, to not be dependent on the other labels. When we release and what we release, we wanted to decide that ourselves. The nice thing is that we migrated there. I didn’t have a lot of parties back then. There was always stress, it was everybody against everybody. When we started Keinemusik, I thought that the world could be different. And that’s what we continued to do. At the core of it was always such a nice community feeling – the comfortable, everybody loves each other feeling.

 

Gregor: And whether it’s the Tomorrowland festival or nerdy Italo disco or hard techno, you find that togetherness feeling everywhere. More and more often I ask myself the question: What can my nervous system take? I find really hard techno also extremely cool and aesthetically pleasing, but I can’t stand it physically anymore. My nerves then tell me at some point: Bring me to a safe place. This is too hard now. But 15 years ago, of course, it couldn’t be loud, hard and fast enough. I would see the genre of electronic music in general as a strong community and not so much in the specific genres.

“…Whoever can contribute something, contributes something. But if you’re not feeling it or you’d rather just have a drink, then the others take over. The rule is no rule. And that works extremely well.” – Gregor
If you mostly play together and also travel together. Have you had to learn to put up with each other? Don’t you get on each other’s nerves sometimes?

André: That worked out very well, though, for the fact that we’ve been working together for so long. There was relatively little tension between us.

 

Gregor: Compared to all other relationships in general, be it with parents, girlfriends or other friends, there was very little friction in our constellation. Of course, there are differences of opinion from time to time, or things pile up that are really just small stuff.

 

Adam: We also meet during the week plus on weekends. We have a lot of time to exchange ideas and talk, or to deal with problems if there are any.

When producing, does everyone bring a certain taste or quality that is different but totally complements each other?

André: Individual sounds rather not, that complements then in the album, the complete package. But in detail, that there is a distribution of tasks, is really not so.

 

Gregor: I would claim that I could say 100 percent whether something is from Adam or from André. For me, there is a small difference in this own sound which we somehow have together. You can definitely hear the nuances.

And what about envy? I mean, Adam has now become a Cartier ambassador! [laughs]

Adam: A good friend (and the publisher of this magazine) once told me the phrase, “As long as I’m doing well, I want everyone else to do well or better.” Why be begrudging? Things are going well for me, too. But I definitely have the incentive that if someone has done something awesome, I want to do something awesome, too. And I think the others have it, too. That’s why we have a good release constant, because then everyone is up for doing something great again. That’s a positive competition.

 

Gregor: And having the feeling that everything ends up in this pot that everybody benefits from makes it easier. I definitely had the full spectrum of emotions over this long period of time, but with this basic tone, this basic feeling that Keinemusik is a collaborative project. For us, the focus is also on making it together. Even if you’re a superstar, touring alone is no fun.

“We play in different constellations, sometimes two, sometimes three, sometimes four. And the more albums and tracks we’ve produced as a trio, the more we’ve gone from being individual DJs to a kind of band. The audience comes to our club nights like a concert.” – Adam
How much do you still tour alone or do you prefer to tour and most of the time actually tour as a crew?

André: As a crew. For me, 10 to 20 percent at the most is solo.

 

Adam: We play in different constellations, sometimes two, sometimes three, sometimes four. And the more albums and tracks we’ve produced as a trio, the more we’ve gone from being individual DJs to a kind of band. The audience comes to our club nights like a concert. People want to hear our version of “I Can’t Get No Satisfaction.” And then you just have to play it and then it’s also a great time because people are so excited, they haven’t heard the track live in their city for two years. That’s quite a lot of fun.

 

Gregor: And of course it’s also more interesting for the people because we stand out a bit more that way. There are endless single DJs. There are also a few DJ duos, but this band-like thing is very rare. The atmosphere is simply different.

 

Adam: We play longer that way too; a normal solo set is two hours and we’re around five to seven. When I used to go to concerts as a guest, you’d watch it for an hour and this way I think it’s much more awesome – experiencing the person or the group from start to finish for 6 hours, from empty room to full finish. It’s just an awesome package. I would want to experience something like that myself as a music fan.

 

Gregor: And traveling is always funnier as a group. In the case of flight delays, for example: A sorrow shared is a sorrow halved, and a joy shared is a joy doubled.

Do you think of it like a class trip? Or family vacations?

André: It can be anything.

“The idea of community was important for us. At that time, we were a group of seven or eight. Our goal was to be able to do what we wanted – for example, to not be dependent on the other labels. When we release and what we release, we wanted to decide that ourselves.” – André
Since March 4, are clubs in Berlin allowed to be open again? Do people celebrate differently? Or does it feel like before?

Adam: It’s a lot more intense in any case. It’s like people were put in a jar and had pressure put on it. It’s not a total explosion, but there’s a lot of pressure on it. People feel like partying. You can tell they missed being with other people, having fun collectively and not just in a group of four people, but with 1000 people in a room again. Letting go. It feels more intense and ecstatic. There’s more love than before.

 

Gregor: More appreciation, especially when you consider what the pandemic brought with it, the restrictions, being locked up for a long time. Now that you’re allowed to do that again, you realize how crazy it is, before it was just normal. But now it’s like, fuck, it’s awesome, with the colored lights and everything is allowed and everyone is hyped.

You guys are now part of the worldwide DJ establishment. What advice would you give to young producers and DJs who are just starting out?

André: The most important thing is the love for the music and not the thought that it can make you successful. The rest comes by itself.

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